Punk School of Magic for Wizards Who Can’t Read Good 🎙️ WITHIN ORB with Jenn Zhart
When Jenn reached out to me to do an episode of her podcast for CAELI institute, I said yes…
Then she sent me the prep questions.
I have become allergic to texts. After 10 years of basing my work on my intellectual knowledge (knowledge as defined by the academy), and going among people who wanted a citation for every take - who denigrate other ways of knowing - I have violently course corrected.
I knew of Within Orb because of my illustrious compatriots who have been guests. As it turns out, Within Orb is a podcast about books.
This represented a problem.
Right there in the first line of the prep q’s: what book would you recommend to a beginners in astrology? Well, the things is…
“I’m not sure I have ever completed a book on astrology…I learned through a teacher, and through non-hierarchical learning models. So unless you want to do an episode on that…”
And Jenn said “Hell yeah let’s do an episode on that.”
I think this episode is cool because it’s a fractal. It shows by doing.
Listen to 'the punk episode’ of Within Orb in the player above. We talk about “the friendship lineage,” learning from the gods themselves, where texts belong, and where they do not. Scroll for timestamps :3
Episode description:
HAWK joins host Jenn Zahrt in a unique not-books book chat! Set your books aside (mostly), and tune in for the punk episode, including: astrology as a harmonizing framework; divination and how music helps absorb star stuff; getting the thinking brain out of the way; learning about others via your own natal chart; being a patron versus being a participant; books as ossified conversations; the friendship lineage; learning together, not top-down; plant alchemy; stories of Apollo and Asclepius; fixed stars; and the Orphic Hymns. Plus: beautiful dandelions, the Myth of Er, and… remember MySpace??
Timestamps:
00:31 – Hawk Grubb is a magician, diarist, and professional astrologer/magical mentor living in the Pacific Northwest. In another life you’d have found them delivering prophecy, bent over the cracks in the cave floor at Pytho. In this life, you can find them doing the same thing, but like, on the computer.
01:07 – How did Hawk get into astrology? Magic, music, and tarot helped on that front; they found astrology a great framework for understanding reality. But also, Hawk lived near Adam Elenbaas and his future wife Ashley’s yoga studio and wound up studying with Adam!
10:26 – Hawk shares how to get into astrology as a newbie and Chris Brennan’s advice to them back in the day. Oh, and if you have a 9th house Leo Moon, you’re in good company!
15:04 – Interlude: Join CAELi and snag yourself a Saturn stress-relief ball. (Yes, you read that right!)
15:51 – Hawk explains “the friendship lineage,” and the beauty of teaching and learning while communing with others. Less like a ladder and more like a web – woot!
20:40 – Book alert! Yep, the duo snuck a few titles into this no-book book talk: both The Symposium and The Republic by Plato get a mention, as does Utopia by Sir Thomas More.
22:41 – Tune in to hear about plant alchemy! (And check out Jenn’s dandelion article, Controversy and Conversion: Astrological Considerations for Potent Herbal Workings.)
25:49 – Hawk’s shares a story of Apollo!
29:05 – Bernadette Brady’s fixed star tip, and a brief trip to the Orphic Hymns.
36:16 – Find Hawk at their website: hawkstrology.com. On Instagram you can find them: @hawkstrology.
34:49 – Thanks for listening to Within Orb! If you love the show, please help support it at no cost to you: Follow or subscribe wherever you listen, rate it five stars, or write a happy review! And if you’d like to become a CAELi member or support our work with a contribution of any amount, we’d be delighted – thanks!
